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Post by mrtierneyesq on Mar 12, 2007 18:53:52 GMT
Do yis think Kerry will go all out for the League? Only Donegal look the team to beat so far
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 12, 2007 20:25:08 GMT
contary to what stacks says i never lost faith in mfr,if you want proof of that read through my posts on the old form,i rate him very highly as a kerry forward and feel he will even get better this year.This time last he couldnt even kick the ball over the bar from 21 yards out.
i wouldnt concur that a loss of form cost him his place for the '04 final and i dont agree he should have been dropped for the '05 semi final either.
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Post by joan on Mar 13, 2007 2:01:22 GMT
I dont think kerry will let the league go. I have never seen them not play to win. Many players due back at important times ans a strong talented bench helps. Donegal look good but we looked worst this time last year there was no fire in the lads.
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Post by seamus on Mar 13, 2007 12:31:49 GMT
Kerry could slip up away to Donegal. They have a worse record there than Arsenal in Bolton!!
Without regard to MFR vs Mossy, i presume our learned dublin friend is being smart.
MFR has
4 all irelands, 1 all ireland club, 1 all ireland minor, a couple of sigersons, young player of the year, All star (?), 10 years experience
Mossy has
a couple of leinsters and a tendency to wet the pants on a big day.
The best way to answer this question is with a question. If there was a transfer window which player would the other 30 counties pick? Enough said.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 13, 2007 12:44:22 GMT
i think kerry will beat donegal by 4 or 5 points.We should have cooper,brosnan,donaghy,tomas back etc,are galvin and declan back in the county yet,we might have them also on the bench.
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Mar 13, 2007 12:59:40 GMT
Kerry could slip up away to Donegal. They have a worse record there than Arsenal in Bolton!! Without regard to MFR vs Mossy, i presume our learned dublin friend is being smart. MFR has 4 all irelands, 1 all ireland club, 1 all ireland minor, a couple of sigersons, young player of the year, All star (?), 10 years experience Mossy has a couple of leinsters and a tendency to wet the pants on a big day. The best way to answer this question is with a question. If there was a transfer window which player would the other 30 counties pick? Enough said. Who's being smart? Looks like you  My question was genuine, but I've yet to receive a proper answer, from any of you "learned Kerry friends", except Joan. First off - why didnt you answer this in the proper thread - afraid to get a reply? Second - my point is, RIGHT NOW, who is the better player? Like Kerrygold & Lolly, you can hurl stats at me all day, but I'm talking about now, and what's going to happen this year. Third - Can I take it your point is that if a player, for example Forde, Brown, Bradley, Tierney, Dolan etc etc is playing for a county/team that hasnt won much, that means he cant be compared to a player who is playing for a county/team that has won alot  Good logic Four - Mossy just missed out by age on the All-I Under 21 win in 2003, and missed out on a Leinster (maybe All-I?) Club medal last year because we have to put up with inter-county strength University representative sides in our championship. But dont worry, the Vins will be back to get yis!  |
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 13, 2007 13:12:04 GMT
if the dublin clubs and dublin gaa people feel so strongerly about the combined strenght of the colleges teams in the hurling and football championships do the regional schools around the country in places portlaoise,new ross,enniscorthy,nenagh etc not feel the same about a combined team from dublin city and county schools playing them in the schools hurling championship.
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Mar 13, 2007 13:21:49 GMT
if the dublin clubs and dublin gaa people feel so strongerly about the combined strenght of the colleges teams in the hurling and football championships do the regional schools around the country in places portlaoise,new ross,enniscorthy,nenagh etc not feel the same about a combined team from dublin city and county schools playing them in the schools hurling championship. If they didnt before, they will now!  That was done because Dublin hurling needs to be developed, not the same situation at all. Those Universities who play inter-county strength teams in the Dub Champo are not developing anything except boosting the egos of their players/mentors and the status of their University What about Munster rugby team (& Leinster, but I say Munster as most of you no doubt are big fans, I wouldnt be a Leinster rugby man) in the Magners League & Heino Cup? |
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Post by seamus on Mar 13, 2007 14:41:37 GMT
Kerry could slip up away to Donegal. They have a worse record there than Arsenal in Bolton!! Without regard to MFR vs Mossy, i presume our learned dublin friend is being smart. MFR has 4 all irelands, 1 all ireland club, 1 all ireland minor, a couple of sigersons, young player of the year, All star (?), 10 years experience Mossy has a couple of leinsters and a tendency to wet the pants on a big day. The best way to answer this question is with a question. If there was a transfer window which player would the other 30 counties pick? Enough said. Who's being smart? Looks like you My question was genuine, but I've yet to receive a proper answer, from any of you "learned Kerry friends", except Joan. First off - why didnt you answer this in the proper thread - afraid to get a reply? Second - my point is, RIGHT NOW, who is the better player? Like Kerrygold & Lolly, you can hurl stats at me all day, but I'm talking about now, and what's going to happen this year. Third - Can I take it your point is that if a player, for example Forde, Brown, Bradley, Tierney, Dolan etc etc is playing for a county/team that hasnt won much, that means he cant be compared to a player who is playing for a county/team that has won alot Good logic Four - Mossy just missed out by age on the All-I Under 21 win in 2003, and missed out on a Leinster (maybe All-I?) Club medal last year because we have to put up with inter-county strength University representative sides in our championship. But dont worry, the Vins will be back to get yis! I answered the question. If there was a transfer market which player would be picked by the other 30 managers? MFR by a mile. Proven pedigree and produces in Croker. Also, you cannot discount experience and medals when judging who is the better player. That's just stupid. Its experiences and winning mentality that help make players great. How would Mossy cope in an All Ireland final? Answer- don't know. Could easily wet the pants. You wait them to be judged right now? Who cares about right now. I'm more worried about September. Even at that, MFR has been kerrys best player in the league so far. With regard to Mossy missing out on an u21 triumph in 2003, i forgot MFR has a fistful of them as well!! Also, you cite UCD as the reason he does'nt have championship medals. Try reading the thread about how South Kerry (9 clubs, 15 intercounty footballers) and East Kerry (Seamo, Crowley, Daly etc) has minimised other teams (such as laune rangers) effect on the championship. South Kerry would beat a lot of inter county teams. |
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Mar 13, 2007 15:40:56 GMT
Who's being smart? Looks like you My question was genuine, but I've yet to receive a proper answer, from any of you "learned Kerry friends", except Joan. First off - why didnt you answer this in the proper thread - afraid to get a reply? Second - my point is, RIGHT NOW, who is the better player? Like Kerrygold & Lolly, you can hurl stats at me all day, but I'm talking about now, and what's going to happen this year. Third - Can I take it your point is that if a player, for example Forde, Brown, Bradley, Tierney, Dolan etc etc is playing for a county/team that hasnt won much, that means he cant be compared to a player who is playing for a county/team that has won alot Good logic Four - Mossy just missed out by age on the All-I Under 21 win in 2003, and missed out on a Leinster (maybe All-I?) Club medal last year because we have to put up with inter-county strength University representative sides in our championship. But dont worry, the Vins will be back to get yis! I answered the question. If there was a transfer market which player would be picked by the other 30 managers? MFR by a mile. Proven pedigree and produces in Croker. Also, you cannot discount experience and medals when judging who is the better player. That's just stupid. Its experiences and winning mentality that help make players great. How would Mossy cope in an All Ireland final? Answer- don't know. Could easily wet the pants. You wait them to be judged right now? Who cares about right now. I'm more worried about September. Even at that, MFR has been kerrys best player in the league so far. With regard to Mossy missing out on an u21 triumph in 2003, i forgot MFR has a fistful of them as well!! Also, you cite UCD as the reason he does'nt have championship medals. Try reading the thread about how South Kerry (9 clubs, 15 intercounty footballers) and East Kerry (Seamo, Crowley, Daly etc) has minimised other teams (such as laune rangers) effect on the championship. South Kerry would beat a lot of inter county teams. Good points, a proper answer. Where did I say "discount experience" You're really jumping to alot of conclusions. I'm just saying that all past stats cant be the sole criteria for saying which is the best player/team currently, otherwise we'd all be saying that players who are past their best are still the players that they once were! Mossy is just about reaching his peak now. MFR had a golden period, then a slump, now he seems to be back near his best, and it's the comparison of the now that I'm interested in. As for September, we may never know, as one or both might be injured or lose form, and one or both teams might have been knocked out. Therefore the question can only be answered right now. I agree, nobody knows how Mossy, Mattie Forde, Dessie Dolan et al might perform in an All-I final, but that is not the only criteria for comparing players, very few get to play in All-I finals. All I know is that in the big games, and at tough, vital stages of games, Mossy has done well. For those that keep citing the Mayo game, he was taken off at a vital stage for some reason that most of us Dub fans cant fathom, unless exhausted? |
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Post by tadhgeen on Mar 13, 2007 22:37:16 GMT
Any more reports on the game? Was Daragh's sending off harsh? How did Mossie Lyons do? What about Scanlon and Quirke?
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My question was genuine, but I've yet to receive a proper answer, from any of you "learned Kerry friends", except Joan.
Good logic
That was done because Dublin hurling needs to be developed, not the same situation at all.