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Post by tadhgeen on Apr 10, 2007 21:55:35 GMT
Dublin are 3rd favourites for the AI at 11-2 behind Kerry @ 2-1 and Tyrone @ 4-1 ---- sourced from P Power.
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Post by kerry07 on Apr 10, 2007 23:10:35 GMT
Mr Tierneyesq Players have to committ. Willing compliance application and PRIDE are necessiary ingredients in any team. Managers are mere facilitators. Pillar and Billings are good GAA men with the interest of Dublin Football at heart. I question the players. Are they waiting for a gift. They will be waiting then. Another thing I really think your Club set up with so many out of town big names is destroying Dublin Football. What chance for an up and coming young Dublin lad when he reaches senior standard and has to sit out the Championship admiring Mc Geeney and others. Hired Guns will destroy you ,kill development, stifle club ethos and turn away talented players to other codes. Iam no authority but think about it. I mightn't too far out in this.
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Post by mickmack on Apr 11, 2007 8:01:43 GMT
Not to mention UCD.......
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 11, 2007 8:56:28 GMT
Thing about it is that when young people from other counties move to the city they want to play football, after a few years doing return journeys of 200 to 400 miles to play with the home club they find they cant do it anymore.They have to be accommodated somewhere in the city football system.Looks like another spin off problem from over crowding and centalising everthing in the big smoke.
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Apr 12, 2007 19:51:10 GMT
Maybe............. with expectations low..........the pressure will be off and Dublin players will perform better No, that may have been true when they were less experienced, and that may be true of a team that has tasted national suucess, and just needs to peak for & avoid blowing up at another tilt at Sam, but this team has it all to prove, and to hope they will do it from the Qualifiers second round, or even the quarter finals on, is pure folly. The standard is set from early on in the year. Currently Provincial Championships are a bit of an aberration, due to the disadvantage of having a 4 week break between winning the Province & the Quarter Final, but Dublin are one team that currently cant afford to be struggling through the qualifiers, they have left themselves no option but to find form in Leinster, and hope that if they do find it then & win Leinster, to somehow maintain it through the big break to the quarter final. It's all hope I'm afraid, and lacking in substance
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Apr 12, 2007 19:56:17 GMT
Mr Tierneyesq Players have to committ. Willing compliance application and PRIDE are necessiary ingredients in any team. Managers are mere facilitators. Pillar and Billings are good GAA men with the interest of Dublin Football at heart. I question the players. Are they waiting for a gift. They will be waiting then. Another thing I really think your Club set up with so many out of town big names is destroying Dublin Football. What chance for an up and coming young Dublin lad when he reaches senior standard and has to sit out the Championship admiring Mc Geeney and others. Hired Guns will destroy you ,kill development, stifle club ethos and turn away talented players to other codes. Iam no authority but think about it. I mightn't too far out in this. There is some truth in this, it has been much-debated amongst Dblin GAA. Then again, some will say that the high standard should inspire people to reach it. There's plenty of clubs. Personally I was very bitter that UCD beat St Vincents, especially as they were fielding an Inter County player (McNamee) who had already played for (and lost) his home club! There has always been alot of outside players in Dublin Club football, but I wouldnt say it's a huge influence, like foreign players in The Premiership of soccer in England
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Post by mickmack on Apr 12, 2007 20:37:49 GMT
Dublin need a big full forward. Thats a key requirement. Do you agree.
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Apr 12, 2007 20:46:27 GMT
Dublin need a big full forward. Thats a key requirement. Do you agree. Im really not sure, last year the forwards worked fine, with pace and alot of movement, good ball-winning from smaller lads like Jayo & Mossie & Brogey. If he was good enough for a starting spot I'd love to see Madser Vaughan in there, because he has great physical strength and is quite tall. It would appear he isnt up to a starting spot, albeit that he's only back from a long injury lay-off. We certainly need a scoring/possession-winning full-forward
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Post by mickmack on Apr 12, 2007 20:56:04 GMT
Just think........
Ronan Clarke in 2002 John Crowley in 2004 Eoin Mulligan in 2005 Kieran Donaghy in 2006
I cant recall who player at 14 for Tyrone in 2003.
You cant win Sam now without the option of lamping it in high to the full forward and letting the corner men feed off the mayhem
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Post by podge on Apr 13, 2007 18:20:23 GMT
I cant recall who player at 14 for Tyrone in 2003. Stephen O'Neill as far as I know.
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Post by owenabue on Apr 13, 2007 18:29:29 GMT
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Post by podge on Apr 13, 2007 23:02:01 GMT
How could I have forgotten the Great One so quickly? There is no better therapy than being All Ireland Champions I suppose.
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Post by mickmack on Apr 16, 2007 20:13:15 GMT
Just think........ Ronan Clarke in 2002 John Crowley in 2004 Eoin Mulligan in 2005 Kieran Donaghy in 2006 I cant recall who player at 14 for Tyrone in 2003. You cant win Sam now without the option of lamping it in high to the full forward and letting the corner men feed off the mayhem Rashers........ do you still believe that Dublin dont need a big 14.
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Apr 16, 2007 21:52:28 GMT
I already answered that question a few days ago, has something changed since As I said, our forwards do fine when our midfield and half-backs do well, and they all do well when they are motivated properly, mentally sharp, composed, properly prepared, all playing as a unit (including management), and management make good decisions. Kerry play a different game. Having said that, there is no harm in having the option of a big target man, but not to the expense of the way a team is trying to play. It also smacks of desperation, to just bring on a big man, when all else has failed - it sends out the wrong signals, and for a team at Dublin's stage of experience & development, who havent won a national competition or reached a final, to try at the start of the championship to bring in a big forward and completely change the system would be a big mistake, it was different for Kerry, they had the confidence of already winning Sam & National League, they could take that risk, knowing that firstly, their style of play quite suited it anyway, and secondly that if it didnt woprk, they still had the confidence to be win again the likes of Mayo & Dublin
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Post by mickmack on Apr 23, 2007 19:09:32 GMT
Rashers............
What do you make of the Shamrock Rovers v Thomas Davis row and is the governments offer of building a new stadium for the dubs in abbotstown a way of resolving it?
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