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Post by pony on Apr 27, 2007 21:02:17 GMT
i have 2 scores really.
the 2 late points the gooch and mfr got against armagh in the 1st half.
they would have gone in 4 up instead 2 quick scores just before half time and it kept us well in touch.
and i think gave us the momentum in the 2nd half to do what we did.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 27, 2007 21:20:32 GMT
pity cork didnt beat us in the '05 munster final as well,jack might have taken his head out of the sand for that run in also.
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Post by mickmack on Apr 28, 2007 20:15:33 GMT
The Cork equalisier. We wouldn't have had to trapse down to Pairc Ui Caoimh, had Declan booed / cheered / jeered / clapped / carried shoulder high off the pitch, Jack would have buried his head further in the sand and we would have been taken apart by Armagh. End of story. Without the Cork replay we would not have had Donaghys goal. I am sick of this ould claptrap about Jack having his head in the sand. Is it not blindingly obvious that once Johnny Crowley retired, we were flying on one wing with only Cooper as a ball winner in the full forward line. In 2005 it was painfully obvous that we hadnt replaced Crowley. Once Donaghy was put in at full forward in 2006, we had a gameplan again. Some of us on the old forum argued long and hard for a target man at full forward. Once that happened, the likes of Declan didnt have to try to walk the ball into the full forward line. Jack uncovered Aidan o Mahoney, saw Paul Galvins potential, rehabilated William Kirby and Johnny Crowley, almost got Maurice back and managed by and large to maintain unity. He put a bit devil back into Kerry and I for one have the utmost respect for him.
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Post by mickmack on Apr 29, 2007 7:32:35 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 29, 2007 14:36:58 GMT
I dont think stacks comments are out of order,the munster final replay was the end of the journey along the cul de sac that started off in '05.In the end certain selections had scrapped the barrel of creditability dry.The lessons from '05 had not been learned by this stage and the same old ding dong was being played out in front of the kerry fans.Changes were only made out of necessity at this stage because the kerry team had eventually ground to a halt and seized up and failled to function as a unit.
True certain players were found,kirby was rehabilitated because he recovered from serious injury,but other careers were finished,such as fitzmaurice,others were nearly damaged beond recovery such as mfr.Not all players were treated as equals on the panel,some were dispencabe,others were loved and fostered and promoted,for that i dont feel the same utmost respect you speak off.
i dont believe kerry lost in '05 because crowley had retired,johnnie hadnt been in the team in'02 and didnt save them in '03 v tyrone.He wasnt even in possession of the n0.15 for the semi final of '04 but won it for the final on a brutally harsh call.I dont fully buy into the myth that a player under 6 foot singlely out fielded the entire mayo full back line.Cinneade was sublime that day in the first 25 minutes when the game was won,kirby was majestic at midfield,aided brillantly by brosnan.Fizmaurice completely out played mcdonal from centre back,his reward,thrown on the scrap heap for '05 when he was neeeded v the physically strong tyrone team.Tom and mike mac were to the fore in the full back line.Sure crowley played his part,he caught some great ball,but failed to score,mayo displayed the same uncertaincies v donegal last sunday in their full back line in the air,i feel mfr would done just as well as crowley in that final,a confident fully tuned mfr would have been worth his weight in gold v tyronev12 months later,alas johnnie had retired and departed,a long sighted selection?.
Losing in '05 was about trying to imatate the tyrone style of play,deserting the principals and beliefs of kerry football that had served well for over a 100 years.We had no half forward line,they were literally not existant,two of them fruitlessly spend the afternoon defending.We only had one fuctioning forward.Kerry had no fight in them once the gooch got injured,surely the sign of a team not quiet right for battle.Declan and seamus were carried all that summer dispite not being fit and up to county standard to man central positions,both were coming back from injury but it seemed the belief was the team couldnt function without them,was that not flawed thinking?.Dispite all of this we were only beaten by one kick of the ball,a piece of genius from one of the all time great forwards of the game,PTG.
Its too black and white to say just because crowley retired we lost in '05,Brosnan displayed enough in the first 15 minutes of that final to suggest that he could have made a fullforward.His first two points were majestic,he never played there before or since.Do you not think that an '04 version of fitzmaurice would not have been a better option at centre back than a struggling seamus.Would a flying mfr not have made a difference playing beside brosnan and the gooch.Its too black and white to make a claim such as the crowley one,there were plenty of alternatives available.
A three in a row would have merited a book,three in a row would have been a claim to greatness.I'm not sure two all -ireland defeats of a team that colasped like a deck of cards equates to the same thing.If all players had been treated as equals jack might still be at the helm this summer shooting for a four in a row,now that would have been greatness and not inconcievable.
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Post by mickmack on Apr 29, 2007 18:05:27 GMT
Theres a lot of ifs and buts......... who knows ......but......... 2 all irelands between 2001 and 2006 inclusive and both when scud missiles were rained down on the opponents full back line.......... maybe ......sometimes...... gaelic football is that simple
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Post by austinstacksabu on May 1, 2007 15:09:14 GMT
Jack had his head in the sand regarding one aspect of the Kerry team - and no other.
Declan O'Sullivan.
That's where my comment lies.
His taking Declan off was the catalyst for the change in fortunes that saw Kerry go on and win the All Ireland. If he hadn't taken Declan off, as he hadn't for two years previously, we would have welcomed Longford without Kieran Donaghy at full foward, Brosnan on the 40 and Griffin in midfield.
End of story.
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Post by admin on May 2, 2007 0:14:35 GMT
Declan showed what he can do in the final when Kerry had the proper balance in its team. Time to move on from this Declan stuff i feel...... Jack had the last laugh... How did jack have the last laugh? a laugh is usually at someone elses expence,who?
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Post by mrtierneyesq on May 6, 2007 21:01:43 GMT
The most important score for Kerry in 2006? McDanger's point that won the semi for Mayo - that gifted yis another All-Ireland
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Post by mickmack on May 7, 2007 21:27:46 GMT
After the hiding Mayo got in the final last year, the typical response from Dublin GAA people that i work with was......."Thank God Mayo beat Dublin in the semi final".
Would Dublin have fared any better? We'll never know.
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Post by mrtierneyesq on May 7, 2007 23:53:06 GMT
After the hiding Mayo got in the final last year, the typical response from Dublin GAA people that i work with was......."Thank God Mayo beat Dublin in the semi final". Would Dublin have fared any better? We'll never know. Theyre obviously not typical Dublin GAA people
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Post by animal on May 8, 2007 9:04:46 GMT
To be honest I was delighted when Mayo beat Dublin. Nothing against Dublin at all but its tough enough to get tickets for the final without competing with that lot! So I'd agree with naming Mayo's point (or maybe the goal) as the most significant score of last year from a purely selfish point of view.
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Post by jo90 on May 8, 2007 10:26:06 GMT
Masters' goal in the Munster Final - I thought Kerry looked like winning up until that point and I reckon Kerry would have lost to Donegal never mind Armagh if they had beaten Cork. Also, Brosnan's goal against Armagh. Only for that we'd have been completely blown away by Armagh in that first half and Donaghy's goal in the second half would have been a mere consolation score.
I can't believe how Kerry "fans" can have something bad to say about Jack O'Connor. He had a 66% success rate of winning the All-Ireland as Kerry manager; that's a better rate than Paide, Micko or anyone else I can recall. You could pick holes in any manager's selections and tactics when the team loses, even Micko's, but you judge them on their overall record and that's where great managers like Micko and JOC come to the fore.
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