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Post by topcat on Feb 19, 2007 22:30:57 GMT
Fitzy was nice, but well able to dish it out if needed.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 19, 2007 22:47:56 GMT
the most ruthless part of fitzys games was his total footballing genius matted to his total footballing skill on the ball,the greatest kerry player of the last 31 years.
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Post by mickmack on Feb 19, 2007 23:00:08 GMT
Rashers....Apart from young Connolly is there any other prodigy coming through............ the u21s lost which is always a blow. I was at the Tyrone-Dublin game and again I felt that Pillar made a few strange decisions........ Very enjoyable occasion all the same.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Feb 20, 2007 16:33:30 GMT
To wit, a conundrum occurs to me - why did this forum have to be set up with new name & registration? The county board were given the option before the doors here were opened and the keys given to the new admin team Rashers. If in time they reopen, I can't see why we wouldn't all move back. This is potentially the winter training camp version!!
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Feb 20, 2007 18:43:55 GMT
To wit, a conundrum occurs to me - why did this forum have to be set up with new name & registration? The county board were given the option before the doors here were opened and the keys given to the new admin team Rashers. If in time they reopen, I can't see why we wouldn't all move back. This is potentially the winter training camp version!! Jaysus, I know things tend to run a bit "relaxed" in the kingdom, but still......... Isnt it Spring on Valentia island yet? Have they any chance of winning La Liga? Mick, the U-21s were woeful, lots of doom & gloom about "too much physical training, players in wrong positions, what's happened to the academy/underage plan in the last 3 years etc etc" Meath should have won by more. Coupled with the long drought in the Minors, doesnt look good. No other prodigies that we know of, sure their still trying to press-gang poor innocent hurlers! By all appearances the management havent put much store by the League again, and most onlookers realise the importance of it, so that's not exactly hopeful either. I avoided the Tyrone game amongst other reasons in protest at us effectively losing home venue, we would surely have won at the Nell. The Croker Lazer Lightshow Extravaganza should have been a double bill All-Stars hurling & football games. Could have debated that properly with all of you had yis not been in winter training On the subject of debating, what would be your opinion about the GAA's latest money-spinning proposal to have the Dubs-Kerry League match in Croker? You can take a wild guess at how I feel about it Still, at least we have the hurlers! How's the Kerry underage scene since all that soul-searching after the 2005 final? Has success changed all utterly?
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Post by mickmack on Feb 20, 2007 20:07:57 GMT
[I avoided the Tyrone game amongst other reasons in protest at us effectively losing home venue, we would surely have won at the Nell. On the subject of debating, what would be your opinion about the GAA's latest money-spinning proposal to have the Dubs-Kerry League match in Croker? You can take a wild guess at how I feel about it I am a little surprised to see u say that rashers. Not so long ago Dublin looked on Croker as their home , their fortress. Given the string of heartbreaking losses in the last 10 years at Croke PArk I can see why this is no longer the case. I am very surprised that more talent is not coming from the Dublin underage setup. It seems to be working in hurling but not in football. As regards Kerry....... who knows. The departure of Moynihan and McCarthy is bound to hurt in tight matches in August. The thing is ...... no county is without its problems.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 20, 2007 22:44:25 GMT
younger brogan showed a bit of attitude when he came on,i saw him playing for the u21's,he mighten be to bad.
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Feb 21, 2007 0:27:54 GMT
[I avoided the Tyrone game amongst other reasons in protest at us effectively losing home venue, we would surely have won at the Nell. On the subject of debating, what would be your opinion about the GAA's latest money-spinning proposal to have the Dubs-Kerry League match in Croker? You can take a wild guess at how I feel about it I am a little surprised to see u say that rashers. Not so long ago Dublin looked on Croker as their home , their fortress. Given the string of heartbreaking losses in the last 10 years at Croke PArk I can see why this is no longer the case. I am very surprised that more talent is not coming from the Dublin underage setup. It seems to be working in hurling but not in football. As regards Kerry....... who knows. The departure of Moynihan and McCarthy is bound to hurt in tight matches in August. The thing is ...... no county is without its problems. I'm surprised at your answer, but then again, cryptic & vague......Kerry? I asked about your youth, not your current prospects Kerrygold, you're right, Brogan might be a goodun, but he's been held back, perhaps to throw in later - no bad thing, some players do well when started early, others not. I believe it's always good to have a new fella to spring in the summer (there's kingdomese for yis!). When injuries and fitness allow, I see Madser Vaughan still very much in the picture. Overall I think we are ok up front, ok but thin in midfield, half back very strong, wing-backs strong, full-back depends on O'Shea making the grade - good so far. How about a proper assessment of your lads, seeing as Mick has gone all coy - the tease!
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Post by mickmack on Feb 21, 2007 8:37:28 GMT
rashers........... did you see Ryan Giggs goal against Lille last night? Did it remind u of a certain goal scored in 1978 by mikey Sheehy against Paddy Cullen.
As regards Kerry youth......... I am not in a great position to judge, being domiciled outside the kingdom. Havin said that ........Sean Walsh son Tommy and Ogie Morans son David as well as Paddy Curran are great prospects
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Feb 21, 2007 12:45:52 GMT
Talk last year during your great crisis was that there's "nothing coming through". Twas ever thus, or do most think it's hard times ahead? A Frenchman would never be caught out of the kitchen with the dinner burning............apparently the true story about 78 was that Paddy had invited Mikey for dinner after and that was they only way he could get out of it Giggs' goal was interesting (admittedly I only saw a replay of it after) in that it appeared he asked the ref, or the ref asked him, if he would go ahead. I dont remember seeing that before, as usually the ref is spending 5 minutes getting the wall back and only then blows the whistle. Great player, hope we get to see him in "New Lansdowne" next month As a Kerry fan you ought to know that the top sides have always done well against the Dubs in Croker on big occasions - hence losing the Nell for the big circus against Tyrone was always worth a couple of points to them. Tyrone look very powerful and with more players to come back, they could be runaway winners, but I think if we can get a shot at them in the League Final or All-I Semi or final, and impose our game on them for consistent spells over 70 minutes, with our main players fit & the bit of luck, we can slay that dragon They have some outstanding players of any generation, but when the foot-passing game is played at pace with power and forwards who can win ball, they can be beaten. That's why we almost certainly need Vince (Vaughan). I also very much like the look of Brennan at HB and Bonner has come on well. If we get back Shaugho, and Cullen finds his form (he's too good not to), we will be a force Do you think Kerry can beat them and how? What about Armagh? I'd really like to see a better style of football than Tyrone win it, and I havent criticised them much before - but their continuation of this rugby-like game does nothing for me or neutrals who could be inspired to watch the gah
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Post by mickmack on Feb 21, 2007 13:53:13 GMT
I dont if you were at the Dublin -Tyrone game but in the first half Dublin played 2 centrehalf backs and only 2 in the full forward line. It worked well even if it was annoying becuase Tyone kept on taking short kicks outs to the extra man.
Amazingly in the second half...... Dublin reverted to 15 v 15 and Tyrone prospered.
When Tyrone turn up the intensity they are some force and virtually unstoppable.
Diarmuid Marsden is back with Armagh.......... at 33. Then again Ger Power, Paidi and Mikey Sheehy were 36 when they won their last medal.
I am a bit surprised that dublin would prefer Parnell Park Croker all the same.
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Feb 21, 2007 15:08:25 GMT
I dont if you were at the Dublin -Tyrone game but in the first half Dublin played 2 centrehalf backs and only 2 in the full forward line. It worked well even if it was annoying becuase Tyone kept on taking short kicks outs to the extra man. Amazingly in the second half...... Dublin reverted to 15 v 15 and Tyrone prospered. When Tyrone turn up the intensity they are some force and virtually unstoppable. Diarmuid Marsden is back with Armagh.......... at 33. Then again Ger Power, Paidi and Mikey Sheehy were 36 when they won their last medal. I am a bit surprised that dublin would prefer Parnell Park Croker all the same. In the League Mick. Granted Croker attracts bigger crowds, but at the moment PP is big enough and has a better atmosphere for the regular fans in the early games of the year. It could easily be extended to 15,000 or maybe even 20 if the League is better handled and takes off more, as I believe it inevitably will. Many of us are bemused by some of Pillar's decisions (or the collective decisions, as seems to be very much the case.) He's not a decisive type leader, and that's a big problem. If Clarkey had more experience I think he'd be better in that role. Or John O'Leary. Pillar doesnt look happy in his own shoes. What about your new man? Impossible year for him isnt it? I feel it's a big shame Jacko didnt stick it out to go for the 2-in-a-row - with some players having retired, others not likely to settle with a new boss, he has deprived the whole country of a great spectacle, which would be seeing him & Kerry take on the best to try to make history. Now if Kerry lose yis will all say, "if Jacko had stayed....". I can understand & sympathise with his motives, but as a man of great ambition & motivation, surrounded by great players of similar standard, some near the end of their career, surely to god they would do the decent thing and go for the chance of a lifetime, and forego the "went out as a guaranteed winner" legend. Afraid to lose? Their legends are well-fastened anyway
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Post by mickmack on Feb 21, 2007 16:40:39 GMT
It is Micko Dwyers biggest regret that he didnt bail out in 1987.
After a while players start to suffer from "the same voice syndrome".
Pat o Shea position is infinately better that JACKS when he took over. After 2001, 2002 and 2003 the players were after undergoing 3 very difficult years. Pat o Shea is taking over a winning team.
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Feb 22, 2007 10:47:07 GMT
Maybe it will work out very well, but it's about as hard an act to follow as you could get. Maybe the aim of a 2-timer will unify the new boss & team very quickly, not to mention the tradition, pride & standards of the team & county. Other counties will not want to let him just stroll in and walk away with the prizes. Whilst Kerry are always to be feared, other counties wont fear a new coach, but they would have feared Jack this year.
On that subject, the effect of the reputation of a coach should not be underestimated, even though it's always of course how the players perform that matters most. When you look at how Tommy Lyons suffered meltdown at the end of his duels with Big Joe, it makes you think. Right now, it's still Joe, and Mickey Harte, and I'd say Morgan & John O'Mahoney that other coaches & teams would fear
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Post by mickmack on Feb 22, 2007 19:17:48 GMT
Tom Ryan...... former Limerick and Dublin hurling manager says that Dublin could win a hurling all ireland before they win a football one. Interesting times ahead for dublin hurling. I would love to see it.
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