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Post by owenabue on Feb 23, 2007 13:30:59 GMT
I was going to say, with yet another All Ireland cos ye blew it when ye met Mayo! Bit like Cork beating them in Munster I suppose..... We were robbed of a draw, we didnt get the luck of Kerry in 2000. Cork have shown in recent years that regardless of the many top class players they have in abundance, they can only be bothered to play in Munster. Sorry, but their performances beyond have been pathetic And this is coming from a Dublin person.... Not sure if a case that they only bother to play in Munster. They are a team in transition. It's not easy to keep picking yourself up after Kerry whipping your arse in Croke park. They showed a lot of balls to beat Donegal last year. As for the abundance of class players, we've a few handy players. Losing Graham Canty was a big factor on how the year ended last year. Very few teams would have someone good enough to replace him. I would imagine that if Cork had a full strenght team we are capable of beating anyone, but things haven't worked out like that. To the vast majority of football people they just see Cork as the "also ran" team. In fact the fact Billy Morgan is managing the team seems to take up more column inches then anything they do on the field. Hopefully that will change sometime soon. Dublin on the other hand just constantly overestimate their ability.
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Post by mickmack on Feb 23, 2007 13:40:14 GMT
Beating Dublin would be sweet too................ if only they would turn up more often.............. theres a rumour now going around that they are afraid to play us in Croker in the league. Have you heard that one Rashers?
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Feb 23, 2007 14:03:51 GMT
We were robbed of a draw, we didnt get the luck of Kerry in 2000. Cork have shown in recent years that regardless of the many top class players they have in abundance, they can only be bothered to play in Munster. Sorry, but their performances beyond have been pathetic And this is coming from a Dublin person.... Not sure if a case that they only bother to play in Munster. They are a team in transition. It's not easy to keep picking yourself up after Kerry whipping your arse in Croke park. They showed a lot of balls to beat Donegal last year. As for the abundance of class players, we've a few handy players. Losing Graham Canty was a big factor on how the year ended last year. Very few teams would have someone good enough to replace him. I would imagine that if Cork had a full strenght team we are capable of beating anyone, but things haven't worked out like that. To the vast majority of football people they just see Cork as the "also ran" team. In fact the fact Billy Morgan is managing the team seems to take up more column inches then anything they do on the field. Hopefully that will change sometime soon. Dublin on the other hand just constantly overestimate their ability. Owen, Dublin lost to Kerry by 2 points after a replay in 2001, got beat unluckily in the Semi in 2002 by the All-I champions, lost to the champions after a replay in 2005, lost very unluckily in the Semi last year - what have Cork done that compares? They were better last year, and unfortunate to get Kerry again, but Kerry only really played after Munster. The win over Donegal was good, but the latter have yet to come close to beat a top team in a big match. I agree with you about Morgan. As for the usual lazy comment about "Dublin overestimating", maybe you should base your opinions on talking to Dublin GAA fans,not fancy dan soccer fans and what you read in the Culchie-controlled media. Very few of my comrades over-estimate. Over-hope maybe , but sure Cork people never think highly of themselves at all
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Feb 23, 2007 14:08:57 GMT
Beating Dublin would be sweet too................ if only they would turn up more often.............. theres a rumour now going around that they are afraid to play us in Croker in the league. Have you heard that one Rashers? Mick, I'd love to see what happens if Kerry (and others) have to play Dublin in more big games outside Croker - the odds are evened up, and many teams find they dont like having to be favourites & not be able to play the easy "poor little david" role What's that about Down in the wilderness? I always thought the kingdom is down in the wilderness
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Post by owenabue on Feb 23, 2007 14:18:57 GMT
Rashers, think you are mixing up the Cork football supporters with the hurling supporters I'll ignore the culchie comment.... I am going by things you have said and the other Dublin supporters I have come in contact with. I do not read any of the stuff in the papers about Dublin because it would be enough to give me indigestion. As for what Cork have done, underperformed mostly. I suppose we should ask the Kerry people what they think!
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Feb 23, 2007 14:21:55 GMT
Rashers, think you are mixing up the Cork football supporters with the hurling supporters I'll ignore the culchie comment.... I am going by things you have said and the other Dublin supporters I have come in contact with. I do not read any of the stuff in the papers about Dublin because it would be enough to give me indigestion. As for what Cork have done, underperformed mostly. I suppose we should ask the Kerry people what they think! Ignore the facts if you will. What have I said on here that has overestimated anything? Facts & details please, not Munster fiction
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Feb 23, 2007 14:23:50 GMT
PS if you want a real case of acid-reflux, try objectively reading what De Examiner says about Cork
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Post by owenabue on Feb 23, 2007 14:34:35 GMT
Rashers, most of the football stuff in the Examiner is written by Kerry men, no messing. I'm open to correction on this but as far as I am aware the sports editor is from Kerry. I'll get back to you with the overestimating later. Might be after the weekend cos I've to finish up here shortly. I'm not trying to avoid the question!
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Feb 23, 2007 15:12:03 GMT
I estimate you'll be a long time searching...........
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Post by kerryexile on Feb 23, 2007 15:22:23 GMT
Kerry have never beaten Down in the championship and struggled with Galway in finals until recent years so why should losing two games to Tyrone stick in the craw so much.
In 2003 some were claiming the death of Kerry football and then they turn round and appear in three finals in a row winning two of them.
I'll take that any time.
BTW Kerry last lost to a Leinster team in 2001 and a Connacht team in 1996 in Championship football.
When was the last time the Dubs beat a decent team?
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Post by mickmack on Feb 23, 2007 16:23:16 GMT
Dublin have won 5 sams in 40 years. Nuff said. Dublin must the only sports team in the universe where playing in front of a partisan home crowd is a handicap. Refs usually give them the break........... remember Tyrones equaliser in 1995 that was disallowed. Look at what Ciaran Whelan has got away with in the past few years. The refs havent the balls to send him off.
I find it sad now to hear that Dublin look on Croker as handicap. How the mighty have fallen. What would Keith Barr and Eamon Heary and Brian Mullins say that that . I'm not convinced that they would be any better playing outside of dublin if you think of that display against longford last year down in longford.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 23, 2007 17:06:34 GMT
it doesn't particularly bother me when i sit on the stone wall over looking the garden taking in a south kerry mid summers sunset setting over the blaskets at the end of the lenght of dingle bay smoking a hamlett and drinking a can of bulmers after a day in the mountains gathering sheep that kerry never beat Down in the championship,who cares. Similarly,so what if we havent beaten tyrone in the 'oos,we beat them in'86 for the three in a row,maybe that was more important,i certainly wouldnt swop that victory,that was another magic day in croker. Fair play to Down,Armagh and Tyrone, they beat us in All-ireland finals,so what,it was there days and more power to them and fair fcuks to them.They claimed what the footballing gods decided would be their right,no one can exercise control over that,their destiny. Someone mentioned that Armagh were unlucky in'00,the only bad luck that Armagh had in 2000 was that they did not factor in the total footballing genuis of kerrys best footballer of the last 30 years,the brillant Maurice fitgerald. Bigmac spoke in another thread about the fanstastic feeling when the final whistle blows and you are all-ireland champions for the year,thats the only currency in gaelic football,the only feeling that counts,it wont matter a toss deep down if ireland beat england in croker to-morrow,so what,its all about the sam maguire cup,all gaa's peoples god.It doesnt matter who you beat,who you dont beat,whither you came in the front down,the back door or down the chimley.Its the feeling at the very pit of stomach,the one that gets better every time. As long as kerry keep averaging 2 to 3 all-ireland wins every decade it doent matter who might beat us in another 1 or 2,so what,its their day in the sun and a chance for other people to experience that feeling. What matters most now is whether the players on the kerry team deep down want to beat this present tyrone team,does it mean every thing to them,do they really want it.Thats what will have a major bearing on where sam rests in '07,not argueing who beat who and who didnt beat who.So what, big tickle.The most of them have made themselves available for selection in the early league games,the ones that have felt maybe mentally tired have taken a break.Something tells me that once they get the smell of the first cut of grass this summer tyrone will cross they minds,it would be foolish though to take one's mind of the Armagh ball hoping in the corner or indeed,cork,dublin and mayo.A great summer of football becons,will the hunger be there and the desire,more importantly will tyrone and armagh have the fire in the bellies also?. Anyway in my minds imaginary eye the sun is nearly set over the blaskets now,the sky is a deep deep red touching down over ventry and dingle harbours,the sea is a brillant blue,flat as a huge sheet of glass spread between the two great penninsula's.Another hamlett and a can of bulmers from the iced ice bucket,its dead calm,not a puff of wind,silent,the sea gently carressing the rocks below.The bastarts of midgets starting to emerge from the heathers now and iritate,light the hamlett and keep them at bay,kerry never beat Down in championship football,who cares,big swing of the john tomas,is that claudia walking up the lane toward the house,happiness is a cigar called hamlett.
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Post by mickmack on Feb 23, 2007 18:19:00 GMT
after a day in the mountains gathering sheep ,big swing of the john tomas, Ahemm ;D
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 23, 2007 20:10:32 GMT
after a day in the mountains gathering sheep ,big swing of the john tomas, Ahemm ;D jaysas,its totally shagging shocking the thoughts that are conjured up in a young lads head when sheep,claudia and john tomas are mentioned in the one piece. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by mrtierneyesq on Feb 23, 2007 20:59:27 GMT
Kerry have never beaten Down in the championship and struggled with Galway in finals until recent years so why should losing two games to Tyrone stick in the craw so much. In 2003 some were claiming the death of Kerry football and then they turn round and appear in three finals in a row winning two of them. I'll take that any time. BTW Kerry last lost to a Leinster team in 2001 and a Connacht team in 1996 in Championship football. When was the last time the Dubs beat a decent team? Kerry fans are ALWAYS proclaiming the end of the universe What's your point about history, I still dont get it? I havent gone on about statistics, or who won how many All-Irelands, almost the opposite! It's about the current era, the teams that have been top, and how theyve done against each other. Championship Football is NOT what it's ALL about, that's just the accepted cliche. Yes it's the MOST important, but the League shows alot too, as Kerry fans of all people have the right to say. Kerry have also lost to Connaught teams in the League, and it DOES matter. It mattered last year, so why not now? I will say, it's really the League Semis & Final that matter to me, but you have to get there. Who cares about Down & Galway right now, we are talking about the current teams, contests that are possible. Many Kerry people have spoken about eras, and quality of football. To my mind all that matters is who is/are tops in ANY era. It was Galway, Meath & Kerry in the previous era, and has been Kerry, Tyrone & Armagh in the current. The previous era was about even stevens, Kerry get the nod for League achievements. In this era it's a toss-up between Tyrone & Kerry. I dont like the way Tyrone play, but unless Kerry win Sam this year, or beat Tyrone in a very big game, then you'd have to say that the Red Hand just tip it by a nose, or more if they win Sam again. Dublin beat Tyrone away in the League last year. We hammered a decent Laois team, and easily beat both an Offaly and Westmeath (albeit WOEFUL on the day) team that will prove, I believe, to be alot better than people give them credit for. We thumped Mayo (top of the table) in the League last year, albeit on a swamp. Other than that, we havent beaten many decent teams. Meath & Kildare & Donegal in 2002. Armagh in the League Semi in 99. Derry in the qualies in 2001. It's been a long slump, no argument there.
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