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Post by Lolly Valance on May 10, 2007 11:06:32 GMT
Jus reading the Kerrymans previews for the county championship at the weekend. I cant help thinking that I jope Johgn mitchells are relegated from the championship this year. They have dodged a bullet for the last few years while St. Kierans got stuck with the desmonds. The fact that they are poaching players from other teams (ballylongford specifically) doesnt endear them to me either. Fine they have a great history and all but thats in the past and u cant live off past glories for ever. If that was the story kerry would never have won an all ireland since 1903
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Post by kerryeye on May 10, 2007 12:59:34 GMT
I agree Lolly,not that i have anything against Mitchells but i cant understand how they have'nt been relegated over the last few years.they say that they have no natural place to go if they are put out but their under 21s play wit Brendans so i think the seniors could do this also.Brendans could do wit them aswell.i think it will be between them and Legion for relegation this year.
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Post by stuckintipp on May 14, 2007 10:43:42 GMT
there are too many weakish teams in senior champ, at least 3/4 should drop down. the teams who offer no benefit to senior champ include legion, mitchels, dingle, ardfert. the likes of rathmore, kilcummin, miltown despite realisticallty having no chance at least are competitive. to play in the senior champ, the club must be able to field teams in minor and U21 and be competitive, thats the very mininium requirement. just cos a team as 1 or 2 sucessful years they expect senior status. bringing 3 or 4 weaker senior teams down would strengthen intermediate champ and make it a much more coveted prize.
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Post by mickmack on May 14, 2007 17:22:25 GMT
there are too many weakish teams in senior champ, at least 3/4 should drop down. the teams who offer no benefit to senior champ include legion, mitchels, dingle, ardfert. the likes of rathmore, kilcummin, miltown despite realisticallty having no chance at least are competitive. how are teams supposed to get better if they dont play against better players................ Surely all division One teams are good enough to play in it
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Post by adimn on May 14, 2007 18:09:21 GMT
They got destroyed again @ the weekend. A joke of a senior team there are too many weakish teams in senior champ, at least 3/4 should drop down. the teams who offer no benefit to senior champ include legion, mitchels, dingle, ardfert. the likes of rathmore, kilcummin, miltown despite realisticallty having no chance at least are competitive. how are teams supposed to get better if they dont play against better players................ Surely all division One teams are good enough to play in it They are not gettin any better. Soundly beaten every time. Other teams deserve a chance if thats your logic.
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Post by topcat on May 14, 2007 18:46:18 GMT
John Mitchels should not be in the senior championship and thats been obvious for many years now, also the likes of Legion are realistically a soft draw to get. Im actually surprised that Ardfert struggled against them. If you look at it in the grand scale of things its very similar to the All-Ireland championship, many teams competing but only 4-5 with a realistic chance of winning it outright. There is simply too much of a difference in the two levels of teams competing.
On saying all of the above, can anyone seriously recommend a team that would do any better thats in the intermediate at the present time? The only one that comes close for me is Castleisland...
Its easy to say certain teams should'nt be competing but where will the replacement teams come from?
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Post by mickmack on May 14, 2007 19:01:12 GMT
Name a team competition any where in any sport where 10-12 teams are serious contenders
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Post by tadhgeen on May 14, 2007 21:02:29 GMT
Stuckintipp, you've got to be kidding. On what basis do you define a 'weakish team'? I'm with Mickmack and agree that in order to improve, teams should aim to play at a higher level. Don't forget that Caltra, one of the smallest parishes in Galway won the AI club a few years back. They beat Gaeltacht who you probably would have called a weakish team back a few years ago when they played out of division 3 county league.
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Post by kerrygold on May 14, 2007 21:09:45 GMT
in paidis time they were novice and div.5 flucuating to div.4 junior.
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Post by topcat on May 14, 2007 21:55:04 GMT
I'm with Mickmack and agree that in order to improve, teams should aim to play at a higher level. I think the point here is maybe Mitchels have avoided the hangmans noose one too many times...... There are other clubs who might benefit more from playing in the top tier. Answer honestly, if Mitchels were in the Intermediate would they win it??? No for me.
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Post by topcat on May 14, 2007 21:55:58 GMT
I do agree with MickMack that all Div one teams should be good enough to compete on their own.......
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Post by tadhgeen on May 14, 2007 22:08:38 GMT
Topcat I am not advocating Mitchells playing in the championship. I do not agree that there should be one rule for one club and another rule for someone else.
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Post by topcat on May 14, 2007 22:20:35 GMT
I know where your coming from Tadgheen. When was the last time they won a championship game?
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Post by adimn on May 14, 2007 22:37:40 GMT
noboby is disputing that teams should be trying to better themselves agaist better opposition, but there has to be a time when enough is enough. Sadly for Mitchels this happened about 2 years ago n are now an embarassment to championship. Maybe divide South Kerry up into 2 divisional teams, if only to give the other teams a chance
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Post by stuckintipp on May 15, 2007 8:27:07 GMT
what id like to see is bottom 4 teams or so in senior drop down to intermediate (follow this thru junior and novice champs also). then no matter who it is gets relagated takes the drop and the rightful winner of intermediate comes up in their place. wouldnt it be better for weaker teams in senior to get good competitive games in intermediate rather than getting beat every year in senior champ? this way if a team like gaeltacht comes along and makes big progress they deserve to be considered a senior team. can anyone honestly tell me that mitchells (or 3/4 more) deserve to be called a senior team?
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