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Post by joan on May 5, 2007 2:08:16 GMT
i'm not refering joan to weekend drugs or recreational drugs,that another issue.What i'm taking about is performance in enhancing drugs to in increase performance on the field of play. Kerrygold read my first post on this issue. I said street or performance drugs should not be tolerated at any level of our sport.
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Post by kerrygold on May 5, 2007 9:36:42 GMT
i fully agree with that joan,but maybe street drugs are for the gardai to tackle.
its highly unlike that a county footballer will reach the hightest level of game while drinking and taking street drugs during the week and at weekends,impossible to combine both.
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Post by bigmac on May 5, 2007 15:59:52 GMT
i fully agree with that joan,but maybe street drugs are for the gardai to tackle. its highly unlike that a county footballer will reach the hightest level of game while drinking and taking street drugs during the week and at weekends,impossible to combine both. u have to decide here on this 1 kg,are u in favour of part time cheats over those who use preformance enhancers.my view is clear on the matter IF U TAKE DRUGS OF ANY KIND U R A CHEAT.
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Post by joan on May 5, 2007 20:32:38 GMT
Agree bigmac agree.
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Post by joan on May 5, 2007 20:36:53 GMT
PS. I think clubs have to also police their own players for street drugs also. The cops cant do it all. We have to step up. It may not be the polular thing to do. But... Someone hads to be responsible for the safety and well being of they others who are not using.
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Post by kerrygold on May 9, 2007 9:51:02 GMT
pt.1 this thread was started to discuss amature gaa players being subjected to sports performing enhancing drugs tests,not recreational or street drug taking by other individuals.
pt.2 any person of sound mind and body will not support the damage that drugs are causing in every town,village,city in ireland.
pt.3 gaa players are amuteurs and should not be sujected to random drug testing by the sports council of ireland so that the gaa can have access to government funding.
pt.4 if you want to test them,pay them their grants first.
pt.5,gaa players using sports enhancing drugs is not a problem of epidemic proportions to support testers arriving at random to training grounds or after big croker games. i know several gaa players from around to country well enough to know that they have reached the high standard of all -ireland footballer through sheer dedication,hard work and skill without resorted to drug enhancement taking.I also know from them that there team mates have achieved this level od excellence likewise.
Pt.5,its bizzare that amature gaa players have to spend time out side of the game checking and reading the contents of every thing they eat,drink and take as medicine in case they accidently take something that could lead to profound damage of their personal and working lifes if wrongly accused.
pt.6 the gaa should stand up to the sports coucil of ireland and the government and protect their players from this.
pt.7 the players inblock should tell the testers where to shove their bottles,gaa players are amateur lads partaking in a past time for the enjoyment of others,sunday after sunday.
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Post by owenabue on May 9, 2007 9:53:25 GMT
Breheny Beat: Amateur players should not be subjected to drug-testing
Wednesday May 9th 2007 So players, managers and supporters aren’t the only ones sniffing the early summer air for the waft of the approaching championships.
Snouts are quivering in the undergrowth too as the Irish Sports Council’s doping inspectors prepare for another season of fearless sleuthing.
Their targets are those deeply suspicious characters who populate the GAA championships.
You couldn’t be up to the boys of summer.
They might look the essence of innocence as they head for the dressing-room in their sponsored gear, swigging from their designer drinks but what’s in those bottles?
And what about when they complain of a sore throat?
Why is Protective Irish Mammy (PIM) glancing out the window before she reaches for the cold remedy?
Keeping an eye out for a doping officer?
She fears that the ingredients may contain more than something to soothe an irritating cough.
There could be stuff in there that would power a small tractor but, since she doesn’t have time to take a medical degree to help understand the labelling, there’s only one solution. Spoon and be d**ned.
The concept of a PIM feeding what she regarded as a standard cough mixture to her son which could inadvertently leave him in danger of being branded a drugs cheat, is by no means far-fetched.
Granted, the threat is greater from food supplements that may be purchased in all innocence but which could contain a banned substance.
GAA Player Welfare Officer, Paraic Duffy has reminded players to be extra vigilant during the championships when the testing blitz is at its most intense.
Nor is it confined to match days as a doping officer can turn up at a training session too.
And that’s where the line has been crossed between what’s acceptable and what’s not.
The idea that an amateur player spends a long day at work, drives to training, has a two-hour session and then has to produce a urine sample for analysis before he heads home is wrong.
Actually, it’s perverse.
While the player who is to be tested spends the afternoon in question working to earn a living, the Irish Sports Council doping officer is driving through the lovely countryside, taking in the views and listening to the car radio as he/she zeroes in on an unsuspecting target.
Of course, unlike the player, the doping officer is being paid.
Nobody is suggesting that GAA players should be totally immune from testing as every sport is at risk from drug cheats.
However, it’s indefensible that amateurs, whose sports have no international dimension (well not anymore!) and where there is no evidence of wrong-doing, should be subjected to precisely the same strict testing criteria as disciplines where drugs improve performance and where cheating has been proven.
The GAA authorities were unhappy with the introduction of such stringent testing a few years ago but felt they had no choice but to accept it as refusal would have meant a drastic — if indeed not a total removal — of Government grant aid.
Still, the GAA should have protested more vociferously on the issue, if only to highlight its brazenly intrusive nature.
Individual players have no deals with Government or the Sports Council and it would make a very interesting case if somebody refused to take a test on the basis that as an amateur, who performs for his own enjoyment, nobody has the right to produce a little bottle and demand a sample.
Better still, why don’t the GPA pull the plug on drug-testing, or at least use it as a bargaining lever in the battle over Government grant aid?
If they announced that from June 1 next, no player would cooperate with doping officers until such time as Government and GAA struck a meaningful deal on the controversial grants issue, it would certainly raise the temperature.
Nobody could blame the players who would be well within their rights. Since they are not employees of the GAA, what action could be taken against them?
And would the Government really withdraw all funding if the players boycotted the tests?
And wouldn’t it be lovely to see an amateur player tell a professional doping officer — politely of course — what to do with his little bottle?
Former GAA President Paddy Buggy was among those who recently questioned the validity of drugtesting GAA players.
Many agreed with Buggy because the fear is that a player will be the innocent victim of a mistake over a cough bottle or some other routine remedy and have their private and professional reputations impugned.
© Irish Independent
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Post by bigmac on May 9, 2007 12:08:07 GMT
pt.3 gaa players are amuteurs and should not be sujected to random drug testing by the sports council of ireland so that the gaa can have access to government funding.
yes they should kg,if for instance armagh won this years all ireland and it was found out that some of the team had been takink preformance enhancing drugs the outcry on this site would cause an almighty row.anybody who takes part in any legit sport should know that those he /she competes against are as clean as can be and as for those who we all are sure are clean i can tell you from experience that a lot of people take stuff they dont want others know they do
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Post by owenabue on May 9, 2007 12:23:08 GMT
pt 5, most people interested in their health would read what's in food and medicines anyway. I would have thought nowadays performance in sport and nutrition would go hand in hand, which would have to mean reading the small print. Also I presume every team has a team doctor and person to advise them on food etc, so the lads have plenty of people to ask if they are unsure.
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Post by kerrygold on May 9, 2007 12:35:31 GMT
we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
of course some will dable but the vast majority wont.
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Post by owenabue on May 9, 2007 12:40:34 GMT
That's the thing KG, if they have nothing to hide, making a big song and a dance about it makes them look guilty. If for example Kerry lost to a team that you later heard were on something, wouldn't you be annoyed? Think how the Kerry team would feel to be robbed of an All Ireland. That's basically what it comes down to. The problem is that in general terms, some people will cheat if they think they will get away with it.
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Post by kerrygold on May 9, 2007 12:43:31 GMT
if players were paid their grants etc,i would have no problem with testing,i can see where yere coming from though but as amatuers prosuing a hobby/pastime i dont agree with it.
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Post by mickmack on May 9, 2007 13:25:26 GMT
Whats Billy on?
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Post by bigmac on May 9, 2007 14:14:01 GMT
That's the thing KG, if they have nothing to hide, making a big song and a dance about it makes them look guilty. exactly,if their on nothing the've nothing to fear. i'd say billy's on 3 shots of sus and 3 of tren + 4 oxy 50's a day ;D
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Post by owenabue on May 9, 2007 14:24:41 GMT
That isn't nice lads. If you ask me with that kind of an attitude we don't hate ye half enough.
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