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Post by owenabue on Apr 12, 2007 10:22:52 GMT
Well if the Kerry county board could prove he didn't touch the Tyrone player, they would have contested it. You can't excuse a players action by saying the other team did worse things. If I remember from last year ye were very hard on Anthony Lynch, this even with yer rose tinted glassed would have admitted that he was tested to the last. Still no excuse for what he did at the time. (or not if you check the video evidence)
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Post by kerry07 on Apr 12, 2007 11:29:26 GMT
I have said enough on the incident. Simply on the facts he has been wronged. Tom wasn't provoked , it is not an incident concerning over reaction it is simply a case of self defence and instinctive reaction to an over the top and unsighted tackle. The Kerry Co Board take a noble and principled stand which goes along the Lines of accepting decisions in diciplinary matters even where they are blatently wrong. I respect them for that but I wonder if in the modern world of Gaelic Games it is a little innocent. The Anthony Lynch approach is the other end of the scale completely and involves a legalistic approach to rules focusing on technacilities rather than the substance of what happened. It has no place in sport at all. What happened to Tom O Sullivan is different and has much to do with biased media coverage by commentators with modest understanding of the Game. Selective application of rules is unjust,application at the behest of the media is sickening. Very few of these commentators could be considered unbiased and all bar a few ever played the game at an advanced level. They apportion blame, selectively edit to support their contention and on some occassions go further and cast imputations on the good name of players, imputations that are groundless and damaging. The question is really do amature players deserve this type of attention. Answer is absolutely not.
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Post by owenabue on Apr 12, 2007 12:08:31 GMT
No point in me saying anything really is there? The word I can pick out is reacted, so I can't see your arguement. You seem to have a very short memory when it comes to the County board appealing things. Two names that spring to mind are Galvin and Ó Sé. I have never said I agreed with what Cork did with regards to Anthony Lynch, I was just pointing out with all the sh^te he had taken that day, if I was to use your arguement I could say it was an instincitive reaction. Or will we go with the stuff Noel O Leary has to put up with everytime he plays against ye? We all know how Tyrone play. From what I have seen of the Kerry coverage in the media I would have to disagree with you. Have you ever read the Irish Examiner? It could pass as the Kerry supporters newsletter at times. To be honest, ye get a fair hearing. It's the Northern teams always get associated as the tough teams. Ye get described "kings of football" who we should all look up to. The only player from Kerry who gets a rough time is Paul Galvin.
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Post by seamus on Apr 12, 2007 12:43:13 GMT
In fairness now Owenabue, Noel O'Leary just acts like a plank every time he plays Kerry. It rouses the Kerry crowd to the last when he gets lamped. Our boys line up to have a crack at him and that is why Billy stopped picking him against us.
Bring back Conor McCarthy. Ye have no one to run aimlessly into the corner flag since he left!
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Post by watchdahop on Apr 12, 2007 12:57:35 GMT
I think there is a tendency of all teams to say they were beaten by the more cynical team and not the better team. Cork say it about Kerry Kerry have said it about Armagh and Tyrone.
Being at the Cross and Tyrone games recently all their supporters think their players do not commit fouls but the slightest touch by the other team should have theopposing player sent off.
On the Tom incident I would say if you are going to live by the sword you better be able to die by the sword. If you strike a guy first retaliate you can't have too much complaint if you get caught.
Re the Examiner and the so called Kerry bias I would suggest they read the Evening Echo now theres where you get impartial journalism..... It will be handy for Cork next year if (when) they don't win Sam they will have two ready made excuses: Kerry are too cynical and The Examiner were unfair to us!! Boom Boom
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Post by owenabue on Apr 12, 2007 13:22:12 GMT
I think there is a tendency of all teams to say they were beaten by the more cynical team and not the better team. Cork say it about Kerry Kerry have said it about Armagh and Tyrone. Being at the Cross and Tyrone games recently all their supporters think their players do not commit fouls but the slightest touch by the other team should have theopposing player sent off. On the Tom incident I would say if you are going to live by the sword you better be able to die by the sword. If you strike a guy first retaliate you can't have too much complaint if you get caught. Re the Examiner and the so called Kerry bias I would suggest they read the Evening Echo now theres where you get impartial journalism..... It will be handy for Cork next year if (when) they don't win Sam they will have two ready made excuses: Kerry are too cynical and The Examiner were unfair to us!! Boom Boom I don't read the Echo at all. I do know why you might suggest it. Some fairly harsh words about Kerry last year isn't it? But you do have to admit ye get lots of coverage in the Examiner. I won't make any excuses for Cork. Hopefully I won't have to...
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Post by owenabue on Apr 12, 2007 13:24:52 GMT
In fairness now Owenabue, Noel O'Leary just acts like a plank every time he plays Kerry. It rouses the Kerry crowd to the last when he gets lamped. Our boys line up to have a crack at him and that is why Billy stopped picking him against us. Bring back Conor McCarthy. Ye have no one to run aimlessly into the corner flag since he left! Not saying any of the Cork lads are angels, but ye seem to know how to wind one or two of them up. Same way as teams know who to wind up on the Kerry team. Billy didn't stop picking him, he was sick last year when we were due to play ye.
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Post by kerry07 on Apr 12, 2007 14:04:44 GMT
The media coverage of this incident referred to was that on Setanta. If the media get it right on occasion it hardly balances the equation? ?? Galvin is more sinned against than sinning,his game is open on occasion to comment of a negative type,his professional life off the field is out of bounds. Galvin plays for Kerry,he is a rough diamond etc Mc Miniman and Belliew dont play for Kerry, similar approach to game as Paul, they are heroes nuff said.
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Post by owenabue on Apr 12, 2007 14:13:28 GMT
The media coverage of this incident referred to was that on Setanta. If the media get it right on occasion it hardly balances the equation? ?? Galvin is more sinned against than sinning,his game is open on occasion to comment of a negative type,his professional life off the field is out of bounds. Galvin plays for Kerry,he is a rough diamond etc Mc Miniman and Belliew dont play for Kerry, similar approach to game as Paul, they are heroes nuff said. Kerry07, didn't I just say Galvin gets a rough deal? My post should be framed.. Cork person standing up for Galvin shocker! I am too poor to have Setanta, that's my excuse. You said media, I presumed that should cover all tv channels and newspapers and radio stations.
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Post by joan on Apr 12, 2007 18:45:30 GMT
Just over look tom for a moment lads. There has been a ton of cards to Kerry players during the league. Is it the refs, is it the players ,what?? It cant continue. I am not blasting any player never would but I am concerned with the amount of attention they are recieving and its something that need to be addressed.
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Post by mickmack on Apr 12, 2007 20:36:25 GMT
The camerals clearly showed Tom putting his feet into the Tyrone player. It looked bad. The question is ........ was it intentional or an accident?
Did Mattie Forde intend to stamp on the player lasy year? He was banned.
How can intent be decided?
I agree with Joan that too many players have been booked and sent off. It could be disastrous later on if it continues
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Post by kerry07 on Apr 13, 2007 23:50:55 GMT
I am too poor to have Setanta, that's my excuse.- owenabue
OWENABUE there is no such thing as a poor Corkman.
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Post by owenabue on Apr 14, 2007 0:59:28 GMT
Well Kerry07, if that's true, still doesn't prove I'm lying. As I'm old and boring, I don't go down to the local pub to watch the games either, so I will just have to take your word for it rather then that of the CCC.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 16, 2007 14:58:23 GMT
the panel on satanta that night seemed to take pleasure predicting that dublin would beat kerry religating kerry to div.2 and suggessting that it would be better for the game if dublin stayed up.They also claimed that tyrone would beat mayo thus further cementing kerrys religation drop,ah well tuff old chaps it didnt pan out that way.
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Post by kerry07 on Apr 17, 2007 1:03:08 GMT
I agree Kerrygold a very biased approach was adopted by the panel on the night. In my opinion many media sources are biased against the Kingdom and this line up in Setanta are particularly so . For the Tyrone Game they lost the run of themselves altogether. But listen we can live with it. T O Sullivan suffered in my opinion but it probably wont unduly stunt his development at this stage. He "might" miss out on a few challanges that is the immediate impact. No big deal. Now medium term, does this sanction carry over into championship? At what stage under the rules of the association is he rid of its impact ? mickmack there is no equation with what Mattie Ford did and the incident concerning Tom. Forde was clearly at least in a position to see the player he struck Tom wasn't. Forde fouled his opponent Tom was fouled by his. Tom could hardly have intended to do something if he couldn't possibly see what he was doing (face in ground opponent on his back) These issues apparent to all watching dont seem to have occured to the Panel on the night or the diciplinary body either. But the the diciplinary body are not exactly most efficient at dealing with matters are they (Tyrone Dublin )etc etc etc. Some panel of experts that Setanta have though really massive ,former all stars, failed managers, intercounty players of modest achievement. STAR STUDDED AND OF COURSE AS UNBIASED AS THEY ARE EXPERT.
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